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Mark Alley
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« on: May 31, 2006, 01:41:33 AM »

I have a WinXP_SP2 computer with an ASUS motherboard, has a 3.2 GHz hyperthreated Pentium processor, two 250 Ghz HDs, high powered video card.  There is a huge fan on the processor and an additional case fan as well as thepower supply fan. Most afternoons - say after 1500 - the motherboard monitor alarm tells me that the processor temperature has exceeded the pre-set alarm limit of 70C.  I have checked the air vents in the case which seem clear. Normal temperature of the processor earlier in the day is 50C.   I checked the case fans and processor fans.  The additional case fan and the processor fans are working as they should.  I thought the power supply fan was not working so took the computer to a repair shop, but they told me the power supply fan was fine and to increase the alarm pre-set level for the processor temperature to 90C.

Whilst the temperature alarm does not go off every day, it happens too often.  I have not increased the temperature alert level as other information suggests that 70C is the maximum for pentiums.

Can anyone tell me whether 70C or 90C is acceptable and suggest why the processor is overheating (if it is) and what I can do to find out why the processor temperature rises so far when I am doing normal email work - not high level graphics.

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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2006, 04:40:18 AM »

Most processors can run hotter than the average max temp is set at in BIOS. However, I wouldn't set it above say 75.

I would suspect the fan(s) in the first place and, being quite cheap, it would be a good idea to replace them. If the problem still persists, maybe the heatsink isn't transferring heat from the CPU effectively and might need some new heatsink paste on it.
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2006, 05:01:53 AM »

Hi i have an ASRock motherboard m ade by the same firm, what i had done because of my computer being under a load od work load was to fit an artic cooling fan over the processor  and install extra fans not only to draw the cool air in but to extract the warm air, mine by the way runs at 60 all the time.

How I have done this is 2 fans at front pulling cold air in and 2 extra as well as those suppied drawing the warm air out

If you find that does not work then set all fans to extract the warm air.

When i built a computer for anyone i always fit extra fans so that it runs cool no matter how much work it is doing.
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2006, 06:23:30 AM »

A year ago, I was working on a friend's computer trying to fix a temperature and fan problem.  The motherboard software didn't include  any type of temp-voltage monitoring software.  After searching online for a bit I came across a Freeware program, called SpeedFan. I was surprised to find out how powerful this little app was.  It ended up being just what we needed to control the temperature problem of my friend's computer.   

So, I would suggest giving it a try.  SpeedFan is Freeware, and it works wonders with System Temp-Voltage Control.     

Here's a Copy-Paste of the Program Description for SpeedFan:

This program monitors fan speeds, temperatures and voltages in computers with hardware monitoring chips. It can even access S.M.A.R.T. info for those hard disks that support this feature and show hard disk temperatures as well. Its main feature is that it can control the speed of the fans according to the temperatures inside your PC, thus reducing noise and power consumption. It can even set the FSB on some motherboards.

To Download the program, simply do a Google Search for  "SpeedFan"

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2006, 06:31:52 AM »

Hi Noel,

Have you sorted the overheating problems now?
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2006, 03:36:30 AM »

Thank you very much to all who offered solutions.  Unfortunately I have been away from my computer for a few days so have not yet implemented the suggestions - but will do so now.

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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2006, 03:19:16 AM »

Thank you again for your help.

I installed Speed Fan, but on its own it did not significantly reduce the temperature of the processor - not surprising as I already had the case and CPU fans running at maximum speed.  So I installed an Arctic Pro 80mm TC fan - that has made a real difference.

But I suspect I have not configured Speed Fan properly as the Arctic fan only changes its speed from around 1960rpm to 1995rpm when the case and CPU temperatures rise.  I think the maximum speed the Arctic fan is capable of is 4000rpm, so seems I am doing something wrong.

Can anyone advise me what I should do to configure the Speed Fan to get maximum cooling?  Please?

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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2006, 03:50:58 AM »

I don't have SpeedFan, is this any help?

http://www.almico.com/sfscreenshots.php
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2006, 04:43:54 AM »

Noel,

A few more factors you should be considering for this problem:

- The location of the tower.  Is it a place that at some point of the day has the sunlight hitting it.   Is the Tower surrounded very closely by walls or is it pushed against a wall.  If it is flushed against something, try to move it a few inches away so that there is space for the air to flow in and out. 

- make sure to look for dust.  A lot of dust can hinder air flow, which would cause the temp to go up.    So clean up any dust.

- Make sure your memory sticks are fully secured in.  Sometimes, if a memory module stick is loose, it can cause a temp increase.

- make sure that the cords inside the computer are wrapped nicely and that extra cord slack is tied up (with a some kind of binder).  Cords all over the place can greatly reduce air flow.

- are all fans operating? There is usually a fan in the front that is not as easy to see.  Sometimes that one is not enabled in the BIOS.  Just check to make sure all fans are operational.


judging based off of the time of day you say this problem usually occurs, it makes me think that maybe the sun is hitting the case at that time...
Check those things and post back....
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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2006, 04:23:26 AM »

Thanks for that info.  Answers follow.

The tower is placed on a low shelf under my computer desk and is on the opposite side of the room from the window, which has a balcony outside, so sun light never penetrates to my desk.  The computer is about 5 inches from the wall on one side, the other side is open - leg space, at the back it is about 10 inches from the back wall, which has a large power operated fan in it to take warm air behind the desk.  The top of the desk is about 10 inches above the top of the computer.  I should explain that the powered fan is there because the warm air coming from the top of the case was rising into my face - not comfortable!  My room is small so there is really no where else a tower case can go.

When this problem first arose I did a thorough dust removal job and did that again when I installed the Arctic fan - so at least at the present there is not a dust problem.

No memory sticks permanently in the USB ports.

The inside of the case is pretty open and all the cords except the new one to the Arctic fan are tied neatly.

Yes, I did check that all fans are operating.

The only thing that occurs to me after checking all this is that the air intake to the case is a couple of rows of openings pressed out of the side of the case.  Could insufficient air flow be the problem?  If so should I drill more holes in the same side of the case, or put another fan blowing into the case somewhere?  Not sure that there would be any place to put an inward blowing fan, though - the far side of the case from the air holes is pretty well covered by the motherboard.

All this is getting beyond me.  Never-the-less today the CPU did not go above 55C and now at 1820 is running nicely at 52C - so may be I should accept the big improvement and get on with life!?

Thank you again for your help - not only have you taken me a long way to solving the problem, but taught me a lot as well - I am most grateful.

Noel
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2006, 06:08:30 AM »

Hi Noel,

Seems like you've got that all sorted nicely. 52-55 degrees is a good temp to be running at, on the low side even. Just looked at mine and it's running at about 65.

You are right, accept the improvement, I don't think you'll better it, and get on with life.

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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2006, 10:39:12 AM »

Wow,

That is a big improvement.   You went from 70-90 C to 52-55 C .   There were a bunch of suggestions on what to do, any idea as to what it was that made the huge improvement?  Was it SpeedFan? or some adjustments/cleaning ?

Btw, here is another little tip.  For Fans, you can double them up...what I mean by that is you screw one fan into the case, then the other fan gets screwed into the fan that is already in the case.   

That may already be obvious to you, but for some reason, people don't think to do that.   

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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2006, 03:24:41 AM »

Oh! No question the solution was putting the additional Arctic fan below the vent in the top of the case.  Since I did that the processor temperature has never gone above 70C - and usually runs between 50C and 60C, depending on what I was doing.

Well I did not know you could stack fans on top of each other!  Now that I think about it that makes a lot of sense - thank you for that piece of advice.

So, all told I am most grateful for the advice I received from members of this group - the nice thing about computer people - they help each other!

Noel
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2006, 08:12:49 AM »

Adding all the case fans sometimes will work,but usually you end up will a box that sounds like a jet engine is running.You have to move some air but allot of times you end up with a negative air flow in the box when you pull out more than you put in.All of my builds I use a copper heat sink and arctic silver thermal compound.A decent processor fan and just a couple of case fans.I have never had a box run over 50c even playing heavy games.Just my 2 cents.
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